SAT APR 11 7:00 pm Rock Hill Cafe 19 Exchange St. Glens Falls, NY
THE TAX FREEDOM CHALLENGE
Local Veteran and Patriot, David Nicholson, offers us a film (The Truth Behind The Income Tax) which speaks to the legality of collecting income tax in our Republic. Dave will also be offering up a $1,000 reward to anyone who brings proof of an actual law requiring U.S. citizens to pay income tax to the federal government.
Friday, March 27, 2009
Monday, March 16, 2009
New York Now - IDA Reform
Last week, I had the opportunity to provide an alternative small business perspective on IDA reform at the Legislature. As a result, Susan Arbetter invited me to appear on her program, New York Now, on WMHT (PBS). The link is below but they only post the past week's show so if you want to see it you must do so quickly. Mine is a 4 minute interview to close out the show.
http://www.wmht.org/index.php?s=3
http://www.wmht.org/index.php?s=3
Wednesday, March 4, 2009
My Testimony Before NYS Assembly Chair Sam Hoyt on IDA Reform
Testimony to the Assembly Standing Committee on Local Governments
Public Hearing on Industrial Development Agencies
March 4, 2009
My name is Matt Funiciello. I live in Queensbury, N.Y. and I own and run Rock Hill Bakehouse, a bread bakery in Moreau, New York with a café in Glens Falls. We sell our European breads and biscotti from Manhattan all the way up into the northern Adirondack Park and we regularly employ about 35-40 people. I would like to thank the Committee for this opportunity to “throw my two cents in” where IDA reform is concerned.
I am here today to speak as a small business owner in New York State. I work for a living as do all my employees and we cannot afford a lobby group nor do we participate in the collective efforts of groups like the Chamber of Commerce or the NFIB whose agendas too frequently are tied to that of large businesses like big-box stores and fast food franchises and local manufacturers and not from a place where the best interests of whole communities are the priority.
In this exceedingly poor national economy, it seems that these “small business” lobby groups are not the only ones forgetting their mandate to represent all the people. Our government is racking up record taxpayer debt printing money left and right and handing it out to companies that have never, historically, passed any benefit derived on to their workers or customers.
Bailouts and “stimulus packages” aside, we need to fight these giveaways wherever and whenever possible. It is my feeling that Industrial Development Agencies are an excellent place to start. We need to take a good look at what exactly these groups are doing and how to strengthen oversight and ensure that there is transparency of process.
A great example of the overall ineffectiveness of governmental economic development lies just 15 miles north of here in Malta. New York State has promised Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) a package of benefits that is about 1.2 billion dollars to build a micro-processor plant. I almost feel silly complaining about the much smaller amount given to AMD in sales tax breaks by our local IDA but it certainly seems superfluous (even ridiculous) given the totality of the package. According to a recent article in the Schenectady Gazette, the Saratoga County IDA will be giving what amounts to a 27 million dollar break on sales tax for AMD’s building materials.
Now, let’s think about this for a minute. AMD has lost money three quarters in a row, losing almost as much money as they will be spending to build this new facility. If you were a bank and an entity that is clearly struggling and is clearly not profitable came to you for a loan, what would you do? As a representative of a business that has been steadily struggling to survive for over twenty years, I can tell you what the bank would do.
What if, to compound this company’s undesirability, they are also in direct competition with overseas companies whose costs of production are exceedingly low? Thanks to NAFTA and our ensuing trade agreements, our hard-fought American labor and environmental standards now stand solidly in the way of a company like AMD being competitive against international manufacturers and, to my knowledge, no AMD representative has yet explained how they plan to compete against workers in Asia and India where micro-chips are made for a mere fraction of the cost stateside. What would a bank do?
Now, unlike a bank, our state, facing serious economic times, seems to have left common sense behind and joined hands with the first major player to come along and ask for a handout in a desperate attempt to jump start our economy and create some new jobs. That’s simply not what any responsible business entity would have done. This is far too great a risk and it’s hardly an effective business plan for New York.
The saving grace of such one-sided deals is supposed to be job creation. Our 1.2 billion dollar gift is to be balanced by AMD’s creation of somewhere between 800 and 1465 new jobs in our area. I think that the rare point on which we can all agree (where corporate welfare projects are concerned) is that the development of new jobs is a good thing. But, are all these jobs actually created? Are these always good jobs? Sustainable jobs? When we give IDA breaks to WalMart, what kinds of jobs are we creating? Are these full-time, well-paying jobs or part-time, minimum wage jobs? Many times these “new” jobs are actually just the rehiring of workers whose jobs have been lost when their area’s new WalMart squeezes their employer out. Again, this displacement is hardly a recipe for success by any reasonable measure.
Let’s get out our calculators and do some simple math where AMD is concerned. How much is each of these 800-1465 jobs going to cost us? That’s the simple formula we taxpayers use to determine if a giveaway like this has some merit or amounts to more graft. Now, let’s see … 1.2 billion dollars divided by 800 jobs equals approximately … 1.5 million dollars per job! And, if AMD were able to meet its most recent (higher) estimate of 1465 new jobs, these jobs would drop down to a mere subsidy of $800,000 per job.
Now, you’ll forgive me if, as a business owner, I have to wonder just how good these jobs are going to be? How could anyone with elementary school math skills see this handout as being worth an investment even approaching these amounts?! As a taxpayer, I have to wonder where everyone’s calculators were the day these decisions were made?
Does New York State really feel that these jobs, which might pay, on average, in the low $40,000’s, are actually worth between $800,000 and $1.5 million apiece? If we really do feel that this is the case, can all businesses that have created jobs in the past ten years stand in the same line as AMD and collect our checks for job creation? I think I can speak for the whole small business community in saying that we are more than amenable to bargaining and I’m pretty sure we would ask far less for our services than you’re offering AMD in this instance.
Now, the absolutely incredible amount being offered is the entire package being given to AMD (or the Foundry Company or ATI or whatever you’d like to call them), but we are not here today to talk specifically about that huge amount. We are here instead to discuss IDA reform in our state. How does AMD’s deal tie in to this, mister business owner, you may ask? Well, there’s plenty of IDA money in this deal. It is just so dwarfed by the massive handout package that it easy to forget about it. I simply wanted to preface my remarks about the IDA portion of this contribution with an entire understanding that this company is already getting what most would call an insane amount of support from taxpayers. The IDA money seems to be adding insult to injury. This case makes obvious the need for reform for exactly that reason.
The IDA money being offered in this case is small but, in its own right, it’s still an amount that is pretty hard to justify. That’s exactly why I quoted the whole amount first … so that we can put this whole thing in perspective. The Saratoga County IDA is giving 27 million dollars in sales tax relief to this project. That amounts to about $18,000 - $34,000 per job depending on which of the job projections prove most accurate. The same question applies. Why? And, what jobs could possibly be worth even these lesser amounts given the entirety of the deal the state has handed out?
As a business owner, I have watched for over twenty years as tax money is regularly doled out mostly to the local businesses that seem to need it least. Some of these companies actually seem to exist solely because of the support extended them by the taxpayers through our elected officials.
The AMD case is simple. When you are giving someone 1.2 billion dollars, is it really necessary to rub the taxpayer’s nose in it by taking another 27 million dollars that could go to develop small or sustainable businesses instead? Isn’t that the mandate of the IDA? Why then, do so many projects that involve IDA seem to fail or never meet their forecasted projections for revenue or job creation? There is no end to the number of cases of flagrant abuse by IDA’s across the state. We all know the ones in our own area. AMD is not the only one in mine. There are two more great examples.
Perhaps, the most flagrant abuse of IDA funds in my back yard is the case of the Hudson Falls trash plant in 1991. Now, I know what you’re saying. How could that be a loser? How could anyone lose money by burning garbage and reselling the power it generates to National Grid? Well, to find a case in point, we need look no further than the $86 million in IDA bonds used to build this incinerator in Hudson Falls that was meant to serve Saratoga, Washington, Warren and Essex counties.
Opposition to the plant was loud and articulate and continuous. Now, to a layman like me, this is simple ... burning garbage is frowned upon not only because releasing unknown toxins into the atmosphere, filtered or not, is quite likely unhealthy for the environment. In fact, this is the main reason why it is illegal! But that’s a common sense argument and I am certainly not a corporate scientist trying to justify building a burn plant so I claim no expertise. That said, the studies are still a long way off that will show the cumulative negative impacts of having allowed this project to happen in my backyard so, let’s pretend for a moment that we can’t with any degree of certainty determine that there are increased rates of cancer and water and air pollution in our area as a result of burning garbage. Let’s pretend that there’s no environmental issue here and let’s stick to matters financial in nature (no pun intended).
Critics of the “burn plant” stated loudly and clearly that a garbage incinerator of similar size anywhere else in the country could be built for about 1/3 of the $100 million being floated as necessary. They were ignored and reviled and many of them were even slapped with lawsuits.
Critics also said that there was nowhere near enough garbage being produced in these four counties to allow a burn plant to ever be profitable. They said that it would never be at capacity nor would it be ever be able to meet its job projections. Therefore, they said, it would need constant taxpayer support to survive. As it turns out, these critics were absolutely right. Essex and Saratoga counties refused to play ball and wouldn't sign contracts to use the plant.
According to a recent story in the Glens Falls Post-Star by Blake Jones, Wheeler Foster, the previous operator of the burn plant, regularly saw a $7 million shortfall in revenue which is passed along to “We, the people” (taxpayers). This reporter also wrote that even though last year’s tonnage was a record number, thus far, the trash plant has yet to see a profitable year. The current operator, Wheelabrator, said that in this time of recession it is highly likely that they will see an overall decrease in tonnage next year.
So, in short, everybody knew what a boondoggle this project was except those who were on the Warren/Washington County IDA board at the time. They simply refused to listen to reason and they have cost the taxpayers literally tens of millions of dollars. This lack of common sense and the abundance of ulterior motive to be seen in this case simply beg us to reform the process so that other communities can be spared the kind of pain this entity has wrought.
Another example of abuse in our area is Six Flags. Storytown (aka “The Great Escape”) was purchase by Six Flags in 1994 from its founder, noted philanthropist, Charles R. Wood. He was certainly considered by most to be the very definition of a good neighbor. There is a theater and a hospital wing and a camp for sick children and more than a few museums and charities that owe their very existence to him and his vision of community.
When Six Flags entered the picture, this changed dramatically. For over two years, the theme park collected sales tax only on its admission fee (which it set at a nominal amount, several dollars if memory serves). Its ride fee was tax-free (this amount was over $30). The catch was that you can only collect sales tax this way if the two fees are kept separate and if the admission ticket may be purchased alone. This was not the case. You could only buy the two tickets in concert. By NYS tax code, that makes the whole amount taxable. For two years, the Great Escape only collected pennies when it should have been collecting dollars. It is likely that their little shell game cost Warren County and the state millions of dollars in sales tax revenue.
Eventually, prompted by a very persistent local activist, our state Senator and the NYS Department of Taxation and Finance stepped in to investigate the matter. In the end, they decided not to pursue the sales tax that had gone uncollected and I had to wonder … if I purposely under-collected sales tax for two years on coffee to make my prices seem lower, would the state of New York have forgiven me this transgression as well?
I relate this again as mere background. How does this involve the IDA? Well, my point is that this is a bad neighbor. This is not someone who deserves to be rewarded with taxpayer handouts. Nonetheless, what comes next in my little diatribe is that the Warren County IDA helped this bad neighbor, Six Flags, by using a $1.2 million IDA bond to help Six Flags refinance their mortgage on a brand new water-park! Can you imagine how upset taxpayers are who are paying attention? How could the IDA even consider allowing this corporation to benefit from a taxpayer subsidy? Can you imagine how upset other hotels and parks in the area are that this huge corporation is being given all this free money while the rest of them struggle to survive? Is this fair?
To sum up, based only on the three cases I have outlined, there is an absolutely desperate need to reform the way IDA's function within our state and I urge you to support said reform.
We need to use common sense when handing out IDA assistance and when deciding who gets said support. We need better accountability and more transparency in the process. Without these things, the IDA in New York is just an easy way to funnel taxpayer money into the hands of people who do not truly deserve it.
If we want a stronger and better economy, we do need new jobs but we can’t be so quick to take whatever comes our way. We have to discriminate and we have to set standards for wages and working conditions and the purchase of materials to ensure that the projects in question benefit our state. We need better accountability. If an entity does not meet its agreed job creation goals after receiving an IDA incentive package, there needs to be transparency and enforcement and recourse. Too often, it seems that oversight is lacking and boondoggles like those I’ve referenced are the norm.
Thank you,
Matt Funiciello
Owner / Baker
Rock Hill Bakehouse
Public Hearing on Industrial Development Agencies
March 4, 2009
My name is Matt Funiciello. I live in Queensbury, N.Y. and I own and run Rock Hill Bakehouse, a bread bakery in Moreau, New York with a café in Glens Falls. We sell our European breads and biscotti from Manhattan all the way up into the northern Adirondack Park and we regularly employ about 35-40 people. I would like to thank the Committee for this opportunity to “throw my two cents in” where IDA reform is concerned.
I am here today to speak as a small business owner in New York State. I work for a living as do all my employees and we cannot afford a lobby group nor do we participate in the collective efforts of groups like the Chamber of Commerce or the NFIB whose agendas too frequently are tied to that of large businesses like big-box stores and fast food franchises and local manufacturers and not from a place where the best interests of whole communities are the priority.
In this exceedingly poor national economy, it seems that these “small business” lobby groups are not the only ones forgetting their mandate to represent all the people. Our government is racking up record taxpayer debt printing money left and right and handing it out to companies that have never, historically, passed any benefit derived on to their workers or customers.
Bailouts and “stimulus packages” aside, we need to fight these giveaways wherever and whenever possible. It is my feeling that Industrial Development Agencies are an excellent place to start. We need to take a good look at what exactly these groups are doing and how to strengthen oversight and ensure that there is transparency of process.
A great example of the overall ineffectiveness of governmental economic development lies just 15 miles north of here in Malta. New York State has promised Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) a package of benefits that is about 1.2 billion dollars to build a micro-processor plant. I almost feel silly complaining about the much smaller amount given to AMD in sales tax breaks by our local IDA but it certainly seems superfluous (even ridiculous) given the totality of the package. According to a recent article in the Schenectady Gazette, the Saratoga County IDA will be giving what amounts to a 27 million dollar break on sales tax for AMD’s building materials.
Now, let’s think about this for a minute. AMD has lost money three quarters in a row, losing almost as much money as they will be spending to build this new facility. If you were a bank and an entity that is clearly struggling and is clearly not profitable came to you for a loan, what would you do? As a representative of a business that has been steadily struggling to survive for over twenty years, I can tell you what the bank would do.
What if, to compound this company’s undesirability, they are also in direct competition with overseas companies whose costs of production are exceedingly low? Thanks to NAFTA and our ensuing trade agreements, our hard-fought American labor and environmental standards now stand solidly in the way of a company like AMD being competitive against international manufacturers and, to my knowledge, no AMD representative has yet explained how they plan to compete against workers in Asia and India where micro-chips are made for a mere fraction of the cost stateside. What would a bank do?
Now, unlike a bank, our state, facing serious economic times, seems to have left common sense behind and joined hands with the first major player to come along and ask for a handout in a desperate attempt to jump start our economy and create some new jobs. That’s simply not what any responsible business entity would have done. This is far too great a risk and it’s hardly an effective business plan for New York.
The saving grace of such one-sided deals is supposed to be job creation. Our 1.2 billion dollar gift is to be balanced by AMD’s creation of somewhere between 800 and 1465 new jobs in our area. I think that the rare point on which we can all agree (where corporate welfare projects are concerned) is that the development of new jobs is a good thing. But, are all these jobs actually created? Are these always good jobs? Sustainable jobs? When we give IDA breaks to WalMart, what kinds of jobs are we creating? Are these full-time, well-paying jobs or part-time, minimum wage jobs? Many times these “new” jobs are actually just the rehiring of workers whose jobs have been lost when their area’s new WalMart squeezes their employer out. Again, this displacement is hardly a recipe for success by any reasonable measure.
Let’s get out our calculators and do some simple math where AMD is concerned. How much is each of these 800-1465 jobs going to cost us? That’s the simple formula we taxpayers use to determine if a giveaway like this has some merit or amounts to more graft. Now, let’s see … 1.2 billion dollars divided by 800 jobs equals approximately … 1.5 million dollars per job! And, if AMD were able to meet its most recent (higher) estimate of 1465 new jobs, these jobs would drop down to a mere subsidy of $800,000 per job.
Now, you’ll forgive me if, as a business owner, I have to wonder just how good these jobs are going to be? How could anyone with elementary school math skills see this handout as being worth an investment even approaching these amounts?! As a taxpayer, I have to wonder where everyone’s calculators were the day these decisions were made?
Does New York State really feel that these jobs, which might pay, on average, in the low $40,000’s, are actually worth between $800,000 and $1.5 million apiece? If we really do feel that this is the case, can all businesses that have created jobs in the past ten years stand in the same line as AMD and collect our checks for job creation? I think I can speak for the whole small business community in saying that we are more than amenable to bargaining and I’m pretty sure we would ask far less for our services than you’re offering AMD in this instance.
Now, the absolutely incredible amount being offered is the entire package being given to AMD (or the Foundry Company or ATI or whatever you’d like to call them), but we are not here today to talk specifically about that huge amount. We are here instead to discuss IDA reform in our state. How does AMD’s deal tie in to this, mister business owner, you may ask? Well, there’s plenty of IDA money in this deal. It is just so dwarfed by the massive handout package that it easy to forget about it. I simply wanted to preface my remarks about the IDA portion of this contribution with an entire understanding that this company is already getting what most would call an insane amount of support from taxpayers. The IDA money seems to be adding insult to injury. This case makes obvious the need for reform for exactly that reason.
The IDA money being offered in this case is small but, in its own right, it’s still an amount that is pretty hard to justify. That’s exactly why I quoted the whole amount first … so that we can put this whole thing in perspective. The Saratoga County IDA is giving 27 million dollars in sales tax relief to this project. That amounts to about $18,000 - $34,000 per job depending on which of the job projections prove most accurate. The same question applies. Why? And, what jobs could possibly be worth even these lesser amounts given the entirety of the deal the state has handed out?
As a business owner, I have watched for over twenty years as tax money is regularly doled out mostly to the local businesses that seem to need it least. Some of these companies actually seem to exist solely because of the support extended them by the taxpayers through our elected officials.
The AMD case is simple. When you are giving someone 1.2 billion dollars, is it really necessary to rub the taxpayer’s nose in it by taking another 27 million dollars that could go to develop small or sustainable businesses instead? Isn’t that the mandate of the IDA? Why then, do so many projects that involve IDA seem to fail or never meet their forecasted projections for revenue or job creation? There is no end to the number of cases of flagrant abuse by IDA’s across the state. We all know the ones in our own area. AMD is not the only one in mine. There are two more great examples.
Perhaps, the most flagrant abuse of IDA funds in my back yard is the case of the Hudson Falls trash plant in 1991. Now, I know what you’re saying. How could that be a loser? How could anyone lose money by burning garbage and reselling the power it generates to National Grid? Well, to find a case in point, we need look no further than the $86 million in IDA bonds used to build this incinerator in Hudson Falls that was meant to serve Saratoga, Washington, Warren and Essex counties.
Opposition to the plant was loud and articulate and continuous. Now, to a layman like me, this is simple ... burning garbage is frowned upon not only because releasing unknown toxins into the atmosphere, filtered or not, is quite likely unhealthy for the environment. In fact, this is the main reason why it is illegal! But that’s a common sense argument and I am certainly not a corporate scientist trying to justify building a burn plant so I claim no expertise. That said, the studies are still a long way off that will show the cumulative negative impacts of having allowed this project to happen in my backyard so, let’s pretend for a moment that we can’t with any degree of certainty determine that there are increased rates of cancer and water and air pollution in our area as a result of burning garbage. Let’s pretend that there’s no environmental issue here and let’s stick to matters financial in nature (no pun intended).
Critics of the “burn plant” stated loudly and clearly that a garbage incinerator of similar size anywhere else in the country could be built for about 1/3 of the $100 million being floated as necessary. They were ignored and reviled and many of them were even slapped with lawsuits.
Critics also said that there was nowhere near enough garbage being produced in these four counties to allow a burn plant to ever be profitable. They said that it would never be at capacity nor would it be ever be able to meet its job projections. Therefore, they said, it would need constant taxpayer support to survive. As it turns out, these critics were absolutely right. Essex and Saratoga counties refused to play ball and wouldn't sign contracts to use the plant.
According to a recent story in the Glens Falls Post-Star by Blake Jones, Wheeler Foster, the previous operator of the burn plant, regularly saw a $7 million shortfall in revenue which is passed along to “We, the people” (taxpayers). This reporter also wrote that even though last year’s tonnage was a record number, thus far, the trash plant has yet to see a profitable year. The current operator, Wheelabrator, said that in this time of recession it is highly likely that they will see an overall decrease in tonnage next year.
So, in short, everybody knew what a boondoggle this project was except those who were on the Warren/Washington County IDA board at the time. They simply refused to listen to reason and they have cost the taxpayers literally tens of millions of dollars. This lack of common sense and the abundance of ulterior motive to be seen in this case simply beg us to reform the process so that other communities can be spared the kind of pain this entity has wrought.
Another example of abuse in our area is Six Flags. Storytown (aka “The Great Escape”) was purchase by Six Flags in 1994 from its founder, noted philanthropist, Charles R. Wood. He was certainly considered by most to be the very definition of a good neighbor. There is a theater and a hospital wing and a camp for sick children and more than a few museums and charities that owe their very existence to him and his vision of community.
When Six Flags entered the picture, this changed dramatically. For over two years, the theme park collected sales tax only on its admission fee (which it set at a nominal amount, several dollars if memory serves). Its ride fee was tax-free (this amount was over $30). The catch was that you can only collect sales tax this way if the two fees are kept separate and if the admission ticket may be purchased alone. This was not the case. You could only buy the two tickets in concert. By NYS tax code, that makes the whole amount taxable. For two years, the Great Escape only collected pennies when it should have been collecting dollars. It is likely that their little shell game cost Warren County and the state millions of dollars in sales tax revenue.
Eventually, prompted by a very persistent local activist, our state Senator and the NYS Department of Taxation and Finance stepped in to investigate the matter. In the end, they decided not to pursue the sales tax that had gone uncollected and I had to wonder … if I purposely under-collected sales tax for two years on coffee to make my prices seem lower, would the state of New York have forgiven me this transgression as well?
I relate this again as mere background. How does this involve the IDA? Well, my point is that this is a bad neighbor. This is not someone who deserves to be rewarded with taxpayer handouts. Nonetheless, what comes next in my little diatribe is that the Warren County IDA helped this bad neighbor, Six Flags, by using a $1.2 million IDA bond to help Six Flags refinance their mortgage on a brand new water-park! Can you imagine how upset taxpayers are who are paying attention? How could the IDA even consider allowing this corporation to benefit from a taxpayer subsidy? Can you imagine how upset other hotels and parks in the area are that this huge corporation is being given all this free money while the rest of them struggle to survive? Is this fair?
To sum up, based only on the three cases I have outlined, there is an absolutely desperate need to reform the way IDA's function within our state and I urge you to support said reform.
We need to use common sense when handing out IDA assistance and when deciding who gets said support. We need better accountability and more transparency in the process. Without these things, the IDA in New York is just an easy way to funnel taxpayer money into the hands of people who do not truly deserve it.
If we want a stronger and better economy, we do need new jobs but we can’t be so quick to take whatever comes our way. We have to discriminate and we have to set standards for wages and working conditions and the purchase of materials to ensure that the projects in question benefit our state. We need better accountability. If an entity does not meet its agreed job creation goals after receiving an IDA incentive package, there needs to be transparency and enforcement and recourse. Too often, it seems that oversight is lacking and boondoggles like those I’ve referenced are the norm.
Thank you,
Matt Funiciello
Owner / Baker
Rock Hill Bakehouse
Tuesday, March 3, 2009
I Ran Into Sundwall Today ...
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Seeman
Cc: Matt Funicello
Sent: 3/3/2009 3:39:32 PM
Subject: I ran into Sundwall today
FYI: I ran into Eric Sundwall, who is trying to get on the ballot to run for the NY 20th congressional district. This was before the Murphy-Tedsico debate in Saratoga, when he approached a group of us rallying outside with Murphy signs.
Sundwall had someone with a camera, and he acted like he was a journalist interviewing us. When asked who he was, he answered that he was from some TV show & didn't mention that he was a candidate until someone pointed that out.
He asked about the Stimulus bill, which he decried as creating a terrible future for our children. He was repeating the Rush Limbaugh extreme right wing rhetoric, and clearly is a right wing extremist on economic issues. When I mentioned the jobs the Stimulus bill will create, he indicated he didn't think government should be creating jobs.
He got quite hostile when he didn't get the answers he wanted, and walked off in a huff.
Dear Joe,
With all due respect, Eric Sundwall and the NYS Libertarian Party DO have a show. It is on Schenectady cable access. It is an all-inclusive third-party political forum
called the "Capitol Outsider". You can check it out at: capitaloutsider.org
Eric is quite frequently the host or reporter for the show.
Also, Rush Limbaugh is not the place from which most anti-pork citizens gain their hatred of government handouts to big business. Though I am a Green, I absolutely share Eric's Libertarian hatred of pork in all its myriad shapes and sizes. We have this in common with all the Dems who fight for IDA reform, the anti-WalMart gang, the anti-bailout crowd, single payer advocates and anyone who owns or runs a business in this state that employs people and pays taxes. You don't have to listen to, or like, or even agree with, Rush Limbaugh to see that handing out hard-earned tax dollars to rich scumbags and thieving welfare developers is a huge mistake.
Like me, Sundwall and many others in this CD, are not Republicans. We are simply in a kind of agreement with them on this one issue. We do not see this "stimulus" as a stimulus. It is nothing more than further pork for the ruling class. We've seen enough! After 8 years of Clinton selling our manufacturing base to China for a dollar. After 8 years of Bush's war and oil pork. After two months of Obama's Wall Street bailout pork, it is simply time to stop this killing of the workers in our country by stealing their futures to feed the ruling class. Enough is enough, already.
More taxpayer money being thrown away to better those who don't need it is not a supportable viewpoint. It is idiocy and just because this time it is YOUR corporate war candidate's idiocy instead of Bush's doesn't make it any better. Simply saying over and over again, "We have to do something" and putting this plan forward doesn't make it any more palatable for those of us who see it for what it is. No jobs or rejuvenation of the stock market will result from this ridiculous package based on even the most sophomoric projections I have seen.
As an aside, I have to ask, how can you support Scott "Blue Dog" Murphy? He is pro-war and you're not. Right?
He also seems to have made his money by oppressing foreign workers (just like everyone else who claims to have made their money in "computers"). Aren't you against slavery and worker oppression?
Politics makes for strange bedfellows but this match makes no sense to me at all.
Peace,
Matt
From: Joe Seeman
Cc: Matt Funicello
Sent: 3/3/2009 3:39:32 PM
Subject: I ran into Sundwall today
FYI: I ran into Eric Sundwall, who is trying to get on the ballot to run for the NY 20th congressional district. This was before the Murphy-Tedsico debate in Saratoga, when he approached a group of us rallying outside with Murphy signs.
Sundwall had someone with a camera, and he acted like he was a journalist interviewing us. When asked who he was, he answered that he was from some TV show & didn't mention that he was a candidate until someone pointed that out.
He asked about the Stimulus bill, which he decried as creating a terrible future for our children. He was repeating the Rush Limbaugh extreme right wing rhetoric, and clearly is a right wing extremist on economic issues. When I mentioned the jobs the Stimulus bill will create, he indicated he didn't think government should be creating jobs.
He got quite hostile when he didn't get the answers he wanted, and walked off in a huff.
Dear Joe,
With all due respect, Eric Sundwall and the NYS Libertarian Party DO have a show. It is on Schenectady cable access. It is an all-inclusive third-party political forum
called the "Capitol Outsider". You can check it out at: capitaloutsider.org
Eric is quite frequently the host or reporter for the show.
Also, Rush Limbaugh is not the place from which most anti-pork citizens gain their hatred of government handouts to big business. Though I am a Green, I absolutely share Eric's Libertarian hatred of pork in all its myriad shapes and sizes. We have this in common with all the Dems who fight for IDA reform, the anti-WalMart gang, the anti-bailout crowd, single payer advocates and anyone who owns or runs a business in this state that employs people and pays taxes. You don't have to listen to, or like, or even agree with, Rush Limbaugh to see that handing out hard-earned tax dollars to rich scumbags and thieving welfare developers is a huge mistake.
Like me, Sundwall and many others in this CD, are not Republicans. We are simply in a kind of agreement with them on this one issue. We do not see this "stimulus" as a stimulus. It is nothing more than further pork for the ruling class. We've seen enough! After 8 years of Clinton selling our manufacturing base to China for a dollar. After 8 years of Bush's war and oil pork. After two months of Obama's Wall Street bailout pork, it is simply time to stop this killing of the workers in our country by stealing their futures to feed the ruling class. Enough is enough, already.
More taxpayer money being thrown away to better those who don't need it is not a supportable viewpoint. It is idiocy and just because this time it is YOUR corporate war candidate's idiocy instead of Bush's doesn't make it any better. Simply saying over and over again, "We have to do something" and putting this plan forward doesn't make it any more palatable for those of us who see it for what it is. No jobs or rejuvenation of the stock market will result from this ridiculous package based on even the most sophomoric projections I have seen.
As an aside, I have to ask, how can you support Scott "Blue Dog" Murphy? He is pro-war and you're not. Right?
He also seems to have made his money by oppressing foreign workers (just like everyone else who claims to have made their money in "computers"). Aren't you against slavery and worker oppression?
Politics makes for strange bedfellows but this match makes no sense to me at all.
Peace,
Matt
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